Deseret First - BYU vs Utah

CougarinBoston, first of all, yes, we are comparing and debating about Utah and BYU, my point was to show you that those are all empty facts. They show great fluffy numbers for BYU in comparison to Utah but they don’t matter when comparing the “prestige” of a program. That’s all I was saying. Second, I have had this same NC argument before on this board, and I am not going to dispute you on the fact the AP has their own title and they didn't vote Utah. But one aspect that you ignored was something Dwyer somewhat touched on. The elitist and bias views the media has, skews the way they vote. Now, USC and LSU each had a loss and shared the title in ’03. If that were...BYU instead of USC and they were UNDEFEATED, I guarantee you LSU would have been voted in both polls. It’s all in the name. Utah was not voted because they are not in the “BIG 6”. BYU won their title under the structure the NCAA had at the time. And, I have said it before; you could even credit BYU for the BCS being created (see ’84 and ’96). But under this structure, that same team would not win it now. As for the whole better college debate, I will not really touch on that but you missed another small detail, BYU is a private institution. They should have a higher GPA and test scores, they can be extra picky.

CougarinBoston, I am going to show your facts against those of an SEC school to show you how irrelevant your facts are in the argument. First off, BYU has 16 national player awards the SEC team has 10. BYU has faced 19 ranked bowl opponents, I don't know how you found those numbers out, I can't find that info for BYU or this team, but how many did BYU win? Utah has won 9 consecutive bowl games, BYU has won 9 ALL TIME, but that doesn't matter, I guess. BYU has played in 21 bowl games that pay at least $1M, again, another fact that I can't find for either school, but we will say this team has about the same... BYU gone undefeated in conference 9 times all-time, this SEC team has only 8(not all in the SEC). BYU has gone undefeated once all time, this SEC team has just 2 seasons undefeated. BYU has 53 All-Americans, SEC team has 40. Now, based on your arguments and the outcome in favor of BYU, you would argue BYU is a better football program but I doubt very many people (other than BYU fans) would say BYU has a better football program than LSU. Almost all of those arguments were in favor of BYU except one I omitted, 3-1 national championships (which LSU has won two in the time frame “that made Utah football worth noticing at all”.) If you want to argue that BYU is superior to Utah in football or whatever else, that is fine but these arguments you have don’t really prove anything. By the way, the “21 Million $-plus” bowls BYU has supposedly gone to still don’t equal the revenue of the two Utah went to: $14M in 2004 (7 for Utah 1 for every MWC team, your welcome) and $17.5M in 2009 (dispersed to all Non-BCS teams, your welcome, again). You say Utah has only been relevant about the last ten years, the same could be said about BYU in the mid 70’s when BYU actually started winning in the series, but since they continued doing well you can’t say that. Everything is in a cycle, BYU fans just choose to point out certain parts of history. 30 years from now who knows where BYU and Utah will be...